tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213300.post112746140082731087..comments2023-09-20T06:53:25.708-07:00Comments on Poems From God: Understanding the PCUSAPresbyPoethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15455313892845393736noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213300.post-1127569269241018892005-09-24T06:41:00.000-07:002005-09-24T06:41:00.000-07:00I'll have to catch up on my reading of what is hap...I'll have to catch up on my reading of what is happening in California. I had heard of the Torrence case.<BR/><BR/>Most of the time Presbyteries let congregations leave with property if that is the desire of the congregation. Part of the pain comes when a majority want to leave and take the property, but a very substantial minority want to remain in their church and in their denomination. It is never a clean and easy process for anyone.Apostle Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01174541257259998272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213300.post-1127550002476716212005-09-24T01:20:00.000-07:002005-09-24T01:20:00.000-07:00Apostle John,Welcome.The current court case in Sou...Apostle John,<BR/>Welcome.<BR/>The current court case in Southern California is scaring the liberal leadership. There is a good chance that if a church's articles of incorporation do not say that the property is owned by the presbytery, that a church can leave without paying ransom to leave.<BR/><BR/>At least that is what the Torrence case may indicate. Have you heard anything about it?<BR/><BR/>The reason that they may think people might want to leave is that about 12 churches in the presbytery don't pledge anything to the mission budget, as a sign they do not trust the denomination. Many ministers don't show up at Presbytery meetings, because they consider them useless.<BR/><BR/>As an elder who appreciates the importance of being part of a wider denomination that actually cared about others, and didn't treat evangelicals as a colony to be exploited, what I have learned about the PCUSA as I have been involved in our local presbytery makes me weep. I know how Jesus felt as he wept for Jerusalem.PresbyPoethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15455313892845393736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8213300.post-1127535320831276812005-09-23T21:15:00.000-07:002005-09-23T21:15:00.000-07:00Strange that a Presbytery would take that kind of ...Strange that a Presbytery would take that kind of action. Makes me wonder what is going on in the congregation or the presbytery that leads them to think there are going to be departures.Apostle Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01174541257259998272noreply@blogger.com